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Parallax Error
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Parallax Error on 10/11/2006 14:43:42
 Originally by: Pottsey
Now that everyone understands all the changeÆs are there any 5+ mill Leadership pilots happy with this change?
Not me for starters. I trained up for the gang assist modules to do what they said at the time, aid the rest of the members in my gang. I don't like how you are now forced to take a lead role and make the fleet suffer the loss of the new functionality if you stay away from the initial engagement, or the other option being turning up to a fleet engagement in a ship that is ill equipped for the job.
Unlike some gang assist tactics I do tend to end up in the thick of things, but I don't tend to end up fighting in anything bigger than 40-50 man fleets and I make sure I stay in positions where I can make a difference but don't become instantly obvious as a target.
The main reason why I fly an Eos over a D-a-m-nation (stupid filter) is because even in a gang assist setup it can still handle itself fairly well (and it's also a beast if you ignore Gang assists and go for a full combat setup). I'm not phobic about fighting in a gang assist ship, i'll make it clear I wouldn't bother if it was a full on 200km fleet fight however, but I think its entirely unfair to force gang assist users to be on the front lines running the show or else.
A much better option is an assignable role like scout where the Fleet Commander and/or Wing commanders can set someone as their proxy for gang assist mods. That way you dont have to check anymore people than the current Sisi proposal but you don't force gang assist pilots to bave to lead from the front in ill designed ships.
I know theres a plan to do this for Squadron Commanders but I really don't think its needed at that level. It's the higher echelons of command where the actual commanders should be able to delegate.
Summary:
It's currently silly and needs changing to a delegatable role from Fleet and/or Wing Commanders.
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Parallax Error
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.10 20:36:00 -
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You only give your gang bonuses to people under your command. Except Wing and Fleet commanders which should give their bonuses to each other, this bit is bugged.
What am I reading wrong from all the information thats been released? Nothing has alluded to any other option other than you can only boost people under your command.
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Parallax Error
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.11 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Parallax Error
You only give your gang bonuses to people under your command. Except Wing and Fleet commanders which should give their bonuses to each other, this bit is bugged.
What am I reading wrong from all the information thats been released? Nothing has alluded to any other option other than you can only boost people under your command.
You can only give bonuses to people under your command if the chain is intact
fleet commander <> wing commander <> squad commander <> squad member.
A squad commander has to be present in the SAME system /undocked as the wing commander. For the wing commander to commute his bonus to the squad.
For the fleet commander to give his bonus to the squad member, the fleet,wing and squad commander ALL have to be undocked in the same system.
Its adding simple bureaucracy.
Yeah, so it's as I thought. You pretty much have to be wing command or fleet command for your several million skill point investment to be worthwhile?
Definitely not impressed with this one, I think I shall just have to abuse Damps now.
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Parallax Error
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.11 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Using the leader's bonuses ONLY makes complete sense.
If my character is 'leading' a group of ships, it would by my leadership abilities (or lack thereof with my 50k sps in leadership) that help me lead you to make better use of your ship.
Right now it's just a pile of "ok lets use the best skills from both the leader and his followers, to help lead the gang better".
It makes no sense TBH. These changes will atleast make those high Charisma, leadership-trained chars, all 7 or 8 of them, very valuable.
Besides, nothing stops you from having a random corp/alliance member with uber leadership skills from making the gang, while your real FC gives orders over TS/Vent.
Apart from the fact that gang assist mods are logistics in all but the base skill tree name.
Your forcing people to take command roles and thus completely shifting the goalposts after hefty training periods.
Your making people use a whole line of ships that aren't suited to being in large scale ops at the front line.
If you have the real leader on vent etc you lose quite a lot of the quick response and functionality added for leaders with this new system. Gang warps for a starter.
You have to have an uninterrupted chain of command. Now instead of having to have one person in system you can need up to 3 to get a bonus.
If this system stays, formations better be pretty bloody good.
The only analogy I can think of to fully describe how this is affecting gang assist trained players would be this: Imagine CCP decided that drones, being a Gallente speciality could only be used on Gallente ships. Sure you could still use them, but what if you don't want to use Gallente ships? Same principle at work here, only it's a fairly rare and highly specialised area so not that many people are affected by it.
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Parallax Error
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.12 17:34:00 -
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It's all very well saying just be a Squadron Commander or Wing Commander however.
1) In those positions you can only give the gang assist benefits to people under your command.
2) You don't know whether or not those people will have ot be on the frontline for certain functionality.
3) (Warning pure conjecture ahead here) CCP has stated this is the precursor to formations and more group based tactics, that sounds to me that the intention is every formation leader of whatever size should be on the front lines leading.
Which ever way you slice it up it's a massive shifting of the goal posts for the people that have trained up for warfare links.
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